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		<title>Comment on The Weekend Trader &#8211; Awaken the Sleeper! by Don Miller</title>
		<link>http://donmillereducation.com/journal/2011/04/10/the-weekend-trader-awaken-the-sleeper/#comment-2373</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To make it easier for everyone, here&#039;s a repost of my &lt;a href=&quot;http://donmillereducation.com/journal/2011/01/16/the-weekend-trader-the-critical-traders-feel/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;January 17th comment&lt;/a&gt; re: Christians as traders (which as noted really applies to any business).

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Hi. I’m sure there are many better answers than what I’ll try to provide, but here are a few humble perspectives &amp; thoughts from this end on a cold January evening.

Using a business analogy, running a wholesaling trading business is no different than any other business dealing with inventory, and as long as one isn’t trying to manipulate markets or other traders (God and you will of course know your true intent), running such a business should be quite honorable as we provide the service of market liquidity by taking the other side of transactions from people who desire to buy or sell the market at any given point in time.

With respect to the competitive aspect of the business, I imagine Christian athletes face a similar dilemna in their endeavors, as do Christians in other professions who may “beat out” someone for an employment opportunity, job promotion, etc., or run a business so well that it adversely affects a similar business down the street.

Perhaps ultimately it comes down to what we do with the varied talents that God has given us in terms of sharing them and/or using them to enhance or compliment the skills of others. Such is likely why many Christian athletes run camps and why successful Christian businessmen run seminars so as to share their gifts.

It’s likely why many generations of my family have decided to teach at various times in their lives. For me, it’s partly why I began accepting requests to provide trader education in this industry years ago, is one of the reasons we created the Jellie effort (some may remember that part of the Jellyfish genesis was spiritual in nature as we adopted the company name used by Phil Vischer of VeggieTales fame … meaning we’re pretty uselss by ourselves and simply try to drift where God leads us), and probably why I tend to babble in this ongoing journal. For if I can pass on what I’ve learned through my own pain using parables, etc., then hopefully others who heed the words can avoid it.

Then there’s of course the issue of what we do with the rewards of our labor in terms of furthering the Kingdom (again, something I know I can do a LOT better at despite donating a percentage of the educational tuition proceeds to the American Diabetes Association and GrowUganda.org).

Ultimately, we of course all fall short … which is something I’m still working on  .

Don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make it easier for everyone, here&#8217;s a repost of my <a href="http://donmillereducation.com/journal/2011/01/16/the-weekend-trader-the-critical-traders-feel/" rel="nofollow">January 17th comment</a> re: Christians as traders (which as noted really applies to any business).</p>
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<p>Hi. I’m sure there are many better answers than what I’ll try to provide, but here are a few humble perspectives &#038; thoughts from this end on a cold January evening.</p>
<p>Using a business analogy, running a wholesaling trading business is no different than any other business dealing with inventory, and as long as one isn’t trying to manipulate markets or other traders (God and you will of course know your true intent), running such a business should be quite honorable as we provide the service of market liquidity by taking the other side of transactions from people who desire to buy or sell the market at any given point in time.</p>
<p>With respect to the competitive aspect of the business, I imagine Christian athletes face a similar dilemna in their endeavors, as do Christians in other professions who may “beat out” someone for an employment opportunity, job promotion, etc., or run a business so well that it adversely affects a similar business down the street.</p>
<p>Perhaps ultimately it comes down to what we do with the varied talents that God has given us in terms of sharing them and/or using them to enhance or compliment the skills of others. Such is likely why many Christian athletes run camps and why successful Christian businessmen run seminars so as to share their gifts.</p>
<p>It’s likely why many generations of my family have decided to teach at various times in their lives. For me, it’s partly why I began accepting requests to provide trader education in this industry years ago, is one of the reasons we created the Jellie effort (some may remember that part of the Jellyfish genesis was spiritual in nature as we adopted the company name used by Phil Vischer of VeggieTales fame … meaning we’re pretty uselss by ourselves and simply try to drift where God leads us), and probably why I tend to babble in this ongoing journal. For if I can pass on what I’ve learned through my own pain using parables, etc., then hopefully others who heed the words can avoid it.</p>
<p>Then there’s of course the issue of what we do with the rewards of our labor in terms of furthering the Kingdom (again, something I know I can do a LOT better at despite donating a percentage of the educational tuition proceeds to the American Diabetes Association and GrowUganda.org).</p>
<p>Ultimately, we of course all fall short … which is something I’m still working on  .</p>
<p>Don</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Weekend Trader &#8211; Awaken the Sleeper! by Don Miller</title>
		<link>http://donmillereducation.com/journal/2011/04/10/the-weekend-trader-awaken-the-sleeper/#comment-2371</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy one Carl ... because every professional poker player will tell you that poker -- when played correctly by serious professionals who work their tails off -- is clearly not gambling, but instead an endeavor of skill where -- like all life endeavors -- those who understand and execute the skill properly achieve the expected results over time.  That&#039;s why some states allow poker in some venues but not slots and other non-skill casino games.  

Such is of course also why the SAME poker players are often seen at the final tables time after time, as is the case in the trading world (short AND long-term trading/investing ... the ONLY difference is timeframe) where there&#039;s a transfer of wealth from those uneducated or naive (who we can teach) to the other side, or from people trading different timeframes or with different intentions (e.g. hedging) to those providing immediate liquidity, or from &quot;programs&quot; (run by humans) that have simply run their course and result in market inefficiencies.

Having said that, will some people incorrectly APPROACH the fields of financial trading/investing, poker, starting any business (per Harry&#039;s note), or life in general as GAMBLING?

Of course ... that, we can&#039;t control.

But what those of us who have figured more than a few things out CAN control is not burying our heads and instead doing our darndest to help that NOT to happen and HELP others through the open &amp; transparent sharing of experience &amp; education to get people to take this business seriously ... and most importantly, get them on the RIGHT SIDE!

For it they don&#039;t take it seriously, like every aspect of life, they&#039;ll unfortunately end up getting run over as they &quot;gamble&quot; crossing the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy one Carl &#8230; because every professional poker player will tell you that poker &#8212; when played correctly by serious professionals who work their tails off &#8212; is clearly not gambling, but instead an endeavor of skill where &#8212; like all life endeavors &#8212; those who understand and execute the skill properly achieve the expected results over time.  That&#8217;s why some states allow poker in some venues but not slots and other non-skill casino games.  </p>
<p>Such is of course also why the SAME poker players are often seen at the final tables time after time, as is the case in the trading world (short AND long-term trading/investing &#8230; the ONLY difference is timeframe) where there&#8217;s a transfer of wealth from those uneducated or naive (who we can teach) to the other side, or from people trading different timeframes or with different intentions (e.g. hedging) to those providing immediate liquidity, or from &#8220;programs&#8221; (run by humans) that have simply run their course and result in market inefficiencies.</p>
<p>Having said that, will some people incorrectly APPROACH the fields of financial trading/investing, poker, starting any business (per Harry&#8217;s note), or life in general as GAMBLING?</p>
<p>Of course &#8230; that, we can&#8217;t control.</p>
<p>But what those of us who have figured more than a few things out CAN control is not burying our heads and instead doing our darndest to help that NOT to happen and HELP others through the open &#038; transparent sharing of experience &#038; education to get people to take this business seriously &#8230; and most importantly, get them on the RIGHT SIDE!</p>
<p>For it they don&#8217;t take it seriously, like every aspect of life, they&#8217;ll unfortunately end up getting run over as they &#8220;gamble&#8221; crossing the street.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Weekend Trader &#8211; Awaken the Sleeper! by Carl freedman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If trading is not gambling they why is your favorite trading book called the Tao of Poker, ; ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If trading is not gambling they why is your favorite trading book called the Tao of Poker, ; ).</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Weekend Trader &#8211; Awaken the Sleeper! by Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I may add my two cents on the previous gentleman&#039;s comments regarding trading and gambling. 
According to the Small Business Administration and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, over 60% of small businesses end up failing within three years. To me that is a sobering statistic which points out clearly the risks involved when starting a new business which I believe trading is if it is structured and approached as one. Whether one decides to take the plunge and open a restaurant or perhaps begin a career as a trader, without the proper education, dedication and perseverance, your odds of success will not be great.
I have never met Don Miller but I can tell you one thing just by reading his blog that he has a tremendous amount of integrity which in my humble opinion is sorely lacking in this business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I may add my two cents on the previous gentleman&#8217;s comments regarding trading and gambling.<br />
According to the Small Business Administration and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, over 60% of small businesses end up failing within three years. To me that is a sobering statistic which points out clearly the risks involved when starting a new business which I believe trading is if it is structured and approached as one. Whether one decides to take the plunge and open a restaurant or perhaps begin a career as a trader, without the proper education, dedication and perseverance, your odds of success will not be great.<br />
I have never met Don Miller but I can tell you one thing just by reading his blog that he has a tremendous amount of integrity which in my humble opinion is sorely lacking in this business.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Weekend Trader &#8211; Awaken the Sleeper! by Don Miller</title>
		<link>http://donmillereducation.com/journal/2011/04/10/the-weekend-trader-awaken-the-sleeper/#comment-2366</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what a few continue to fail to grasp, is that the decision to run a business that consists of buying and selling inventory -- however that inventory and service is defined whether one is running a small hardware store, a WalMart, brokering real estate (including using self inventory), small independent trading biz, or larger investment biz -- like all businesses is likely determined by a combination of industry need and personal preference/skill/passion.

As I look down the streets of my own town, I see a variety of small stores, larger stores, franchises, independently owned, some that are open year-round, others just for the season, a few restaurants that just serve dinner, while others cater to larger crowds all day long.

Such is the benefit of freedom and choice in a free world, and I so often wonder why we as a world don&#039;t spend more time supporting &amp; encouraging each other&#039;s choices and improving conditions vs. tearing them down.

As we all know, just because one person prefers a red coat of paint doesn&#039;t make someone else&#039;s choice of wallpaper or paneling dumb!! :-).

Yet perhaps trading and the web where people can post anonymously combine to bring out the best -- and worst -- of the world.

I suppose all one can do is stand by their principles and strive to take the higher road.  As I&#039;ve said before, I screw up with the best of them ... yet clearly the strength and unity of 1+1 will always outweigh 1 minus 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what a few continue to fail to grasp, is that the decision to run a business that consists of buying and selling inventory &#8212; however that inventory and service is defined whether one is running a small hardware store, a WalMart, brokering real estate (including using self inventory), small independent trading biz, or larger investment biz &#8212; like all businesses is likely determined by a combination of industry need and personal preference/skill/passion.</p>
<p>As I look down the streets of my own town, I see a variety of small stores, larger stores, franchises, independently owned, some that are open year-round, others just for the season, a few restaurants that just serve dinner, while others cater to larger crowds all day long.</p>
<p>Such is the benefit of freedom and choice in a free world, and I so often wonder why we as a world don&#8217;t spend more time supporting &#038; encouraging each other&#8217;s choices and improving conditions vs. tearing them down.</p>
<p>As we all know, just because one person prefers a red coat of paint doesn&#8217;t make someone else&#8217;s choice of wallpaper or paneling dumb!! <img src='http://donmillereducation.com/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Yet perhaps trading and the web where people can post anonymously combine to bring out the best &#8212; and worst &#8212; of the world.</p>
<p>I suppose all one can do is stand by their principles and strive to take the higher road.  As I&#8217;ve said before, I screw up with the best of them &#8230; yet clearly the strength and unity of 1+1 will always outweigh 1 minus 1.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Weekend Trader &#8211; Awaken the Sleeper! by john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me crazy but the Dow has simply broken even over the last 10 years and had two peak to trough declines of 50%.  All while Don turned 200k into roughly 3 million with very small drawdowns.  
Buffet started Investing by purchasing an insurance company.  Yes, the whole thing!  He is the first to say normal people can&#039;t do what he does due to the large amounts he has to work with.
Soros may be a good investor but I wouldn&#039;t trade places with him!  
Anyone could get lucky investing over a short period of time.  Only a true system could be successful over the long haul.  Kudos to Don for caring enough about others to help them.  I&#039;ve heard the saying &quot;if you are so good then why do you have to do it for others when you should be rich by doing it for yourself.&quot;  Don has done it for himself AND is helping others.  
I tip my hat to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me crazy but the Dow has simply broken even over the last 10 years and had two peak to trough declines of 50%.  All while Don turned 200k into roughly 3 million with very small drawdowns.<br />
Buffet started Investing by purchasing an insurance company.  Yes, the whole thing!  He is the first to say normal people can&#8217;t do what he does due to the large amounts he has to work with.<br />
Soros may be a good investor but I wouldn&#8217;t trade places with him!<br />
Anyone could get lucky investing over a short period of time.  Only a true system could be successful over the long haul.  Kudos to Don for caring enough about others to help them.  I&#8217;ve heard the saying &#8220;if you are so good then why do you have to do it for others when you should be rich by doing it for yourself.&#8221;  Don has done it for himself AND is helping others.<br />
I tip my hat to you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Weekend Trader &#8211; Awaken the Sleeper! by Don Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.

While we&#039;ve been down this road many times over the past ten years, I&#039;ll respect this person&#039;s question and try to save him time in researching the 850+ posts and comments.

First, as I&#039;ve said on the public scene for ten years, I&#039;ll never &quot;persuade&quot; or &quot;encourage&quot; anyone to pursue trading as a career, just as many actors, athletes, and others in competitive skill-based professions often do similarly.  (Such is why I&#039;ve refused to do mass mailings or otherwise mass-market the education.)

Yet I WILL most certainly provide help to those who have previously made a conscious decision to do so, just as I would for my kids if they chose to pursue this honorable business.  And since quality education continues to be sorely lacking (clearly evident by the myth of &quot;gambling&quot;), paying it forward by increasing the probability of success from industry norms as we&#039;ve done is the best way to do so.

To those who truly understand the business of providing intraday wholesale liqudity which helps to provide liquid markets for others - as floor locals have done for decades - &quot;daytrading&quot; - or more appropriately - &quot;intraday trading&quot; - isn&#039;t, has never been, nor will it ever be any form of &quot;gambling&quot; for those properly educated and schooled. (Who do people think investors/traders buy from or sell to?)

As I said in New York and throughout the last decade, wholesale trading essentially makes one the business &quot;house&quot; and not the &quot;speculator&quot;, and there is absolutely no difference between short and long timeframes when defining &quot;risk&quot;.  (As an aside, long-term buy and mold philosophies have crushed far too many over the years.)

As for aging &quot;ten years&quot;, as I said in last week&#039;s preisthood post, I instead have more energy now than I&#039;ve had in years, my back is the best it&#039;s been during my entire lifetime, I&#039;ve lost 30 pounds over the last two years the right way to get to my target weight, which along with now being an empty nester, is enabling me to step up our education and mission efforts even further.

As for faith-related issues, please re-read the last several posts -- including the comments in the January link from Sunday&#039;s post -- which along with all of the industry public speaking, speaks for itself.  Helping others by providing markets &amp; education, while at the same time helping our ADA and Uganda missions, continues to be our Christian-driven target mission.

Wishing you success in your endeavors,

Don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.</p>
<p>While we&#8217;ve been down this road many times over the past ten years, I&#8217;ll respect this person&#8217;s question and try to save him time in researching the 850+ posts and comments.</p>
<p>First, as I&#8217;ve said on the public scene for ten years, I&#8217;ll never &#8220;persuade&#8221; or &#8220;encourage&#8221; anyone to pursue trading as a career, just as many actors, athletes, and others in competitive skill-based professions often do similarly.  (Such is why I&#8217;ve refused to do mass mailings or otherwise mass-market the education.)</p>
<p>Yet I WILL most certainly provide help to those who have previously made a conscious decision to do so, just as I would for my kids if they chose to pursue this honorable business.  And since quality education continues to be sorely lacking (clearly evident by the myth of &#8220;gambling&#8221;), paying it forward by increasing the probability of success from industry norms as we&#8217;ve done is the best way to do so.</p>
<p>To those who truly understand the business of providing intraday wholesale liqudity which helps to provide liquid markets for others &#8211; as floor locals have done for decades &#8211; &#8220;daytrading&#8221; &#8211; or more appropriately &#8211; &#8220;intraday trading&#8221; &#8211; isn&#8217;t, has never been, nor will it ever be any form of &#8220;gambling&#8221; for those properly educated and schooled. (Who do people think investors/traders buy from or sell to?)</p>
<p>As I said in New York and throughout the last decade, wholesale trading essentially makes one the business &#8220;house&#8221; and not the &#8220;speculator&#8221;, and there is absolutely no difference between short and long timeframes when defining &#8220;risk&#8221;.  (As an aside, long-term buy and mold philosophies have crushed far too many over the years.)</p>
<p>As for aging &#8220;ten years&#8221;, as I said in last week&#8217;s preisthood post, I instead have more energy now than I&#8217;ve had in years, my back is the best it&#8217;s been during my entire lifetime, I&#8217;ve lost 30 pounds over the last two years the right way to get to my target weight, which along with now being an empty nester, is enabling me to step up our education and mission efforts even further.</p>
<p>As for faith-related issues, please re-read the last several posts &#8212; including the comments in the January link from Sunday&#8217;s post &#8212; which along with all of the industry public speaking, speaks for itself.  Helping others by providing markets &#038; education, while at the same time helping our ADA and Uganda missions, continues to be our Christian-driven target mission.</p>
<p>Wishing you success in your endeavors,</p>
<p>Don</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Weekend Trader &#8211; Awaken the Sleeper! by Herbert J Wester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herbert J Wester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warren Buffett says day trading is the path to economic and emotional ruin. In your blog you mention 95% of all day traders will fail and the other 5% will burn out. As a man of faith how can you (in all good conscience) persuade people thru this blog to pay for your services when 98% of them are going to fail? 

Soros and Buffett made billions over the same time you&#039;ve been day trading. Neither are day traders or do they rely on faith to guide their investments. Why should someone risk the odds day trading when much larger rewards and much less emotional anguish can come from a longer term approach.

You&#039;ve aged on this blog 10 years since I first came here last year. Day trading is an emotional train wreck tied to financial ruin for most people. I can only imagine Jesus does not approve of gambling in any form, and day trading is gambling by any measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren Buffett says day trading is the path to economic and emotional ruin. In your blog you mention 95% of all day traders will fail and the other 5% will burn out. As a man of faith how can you (in all good conscience) persuade people thru this blog to pay for your services when 98% of them are going to fail? </p>
<p>Soros and Buffett made billions over the same time you&#8217;ve been day trading. Neither are day traders or do they rely on faith to guide their investments. Why should someone risk the odds day trading when much larger rewards and much less emotional anguish can come from a longer term approach.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve aged on this blog 10 years since I first came here last year. Day trading is an emotional train wreck tied to financial ruin for most people. I can only imagine Jesus does not approve of gambling in any form, and day trading is gambling by any measure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Weekend Trader &#8211; Awaken the Sleeper! by Bill J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 04:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don thanks.  Also just FYI, I received my TAD cap and shirt yesterday.  It&#039;s fantastic stuff and I will wear it with pride.

I think TAD should be seen by all who follow you.  

Have a great week!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don thanks.  Also just FYI, I received my TAD cap and shirt yesterday.  It&#8217;s fantastic stuff and I will wear it with pride.</p>
<p>I think TAD should be seen by all who follow you.  </p>
<p>Have a great week!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Weekend Trader &#8211; Awaken the Sleeper! by Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a comment of great importance here but it is interesting that there is a sunbeam shining in during this video.  Don&#039;t think I&#039;ve seen this in any of the other videos.</description>
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